Winch Epiphany

SleuCrew · Posted: Mar 23, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject:

Im just curious if any of you in the US actually know how much a design patent or utility patent even costs...

The profit margin in the winch market is not exactly huge, so it seems kinda silly to waste the 40k on a patent you cant even afford to defend.

I highly doubt any of you have the kinda money it would cost to even defend your patent in a lawsuit. Considering that im somewhat familiar with patent lawsuits and what it would cost to actually pursue a patent lawsuit to the end... you would just end up putting yourself out of business in the mountain of lawyer and court costs if someone really wants to challenge you in court.

Unless you have a spare 500k + to waste just to keep some guy from marketing a similar towing device you patent is worth about as much as the paper its printed on.

senorbueno · Backside 180 Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 1593

thewinch, keep us informed, I'm not saying give away the exact instructions /specs and stuff, but some of us don't like to be compeletely left in the dark...

2L82SK8 · Faceplant Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 14

SleuCrew, well said. I think that was thewinch's point originally.

You would be far better off investing the patent money into hard tooling so your price point would be so low you would own the market on price & quality, not by patent laws. It's far more effective and profitable. Of coarse you still need the excessive $k to do it.

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

SleuCrew,I agree wholly I grew up with patents man theres awards for 22 of them 3 feet away from me as I type this, and Ive been making that case since way back when people tried to claim they had patented this thing in the US

2L82SK8, I agree thats the path I have persued with my project

pyroskater00 · Posted: Mar 31, 2005 7:19 pm Post subject:

kento anything you could send me :specs, info on how to build, stuff liek that would be great, i am thinking on trying to build one. any info would be greatly apprichiated.

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

pyroskater00, hit me on PM Im more than happy to share my knowledge

maeyektx · Posted: Jun 07, 2005 11:17 pm Post subject:

I've had my own epiphany... i'm in dire need of one said winch. I'm going to take out a loan to supplent the funds for a winch.... do they have winch loans? if they don't, they will when i'm done. ya hearrrrd. haha Wink

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

lol no they dont even have winch buisness loans lol but best of luck my friend

maeyektx · Posted: Jun 08, 2005 11:20 am Post subject:

damn the man.

jdp204 · Pop Shuvit Joined: 24 Apr 2005 Posts: 122 City: springhill

i think im gonna do the moped idea, but use this car thats for sale around my house for 50$. wait no, im gonna run that thing into a tree Smash

maeyektx · Posted: Jun 13, 2005 1:18 am Post subject:

any new news w/ the Pirate or ReWIND winches?.. Question

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

well lol I dont handle news for Rewind, but the pirate winch now has the CDI unit on it, but we think, b/c the douchebag parts guy sent us the wrong parts, and wiring diagram it may have fried the pickup coil, so we gotta order a new one from the manufacturer split the case and install that, then it should be done,

itch · Posted: Jun 13, 2005 3:24 pm Post subject:

aaaaarrrrrgggggghhhhhhh dem parts guys need to walk the plank to the depths of the barren seas.
itch

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

ok at the request of senorbueno and a couple other people via PM here are the latest pics of the winch, I didnt really want to show anymore til it was done, but in light of the fact that this is dragging on so much longer than anyone really wants it to, I think its only fair I give you guys the visual update its essentially complete all the problems have been internal so once its fixed it will be painted and ready to roll, ironically it woul dhave been done by now, but the guy I originally wen through fo rmy stuff sold me a defective motor. . a returned ine essentially, but now we are going directly throughte mfg. of the motors so we shouldnt have any more problems after this motor is fixed the other ones will be brand new in the crate

senorbueno · Backside 180 Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 1593

That's nice man... can't wait to see it in action.

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

thanks actually there is no exhaust on it in that picture we took it off while we were wiring it

one-eyed sailor551 · Backside 180 Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 1111 City: mahopac

sick kento if i didnt live in ny id order one. maybe i can build one. if its not too much for you pm how you did it. i would appreciate it alot

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

one-eyed sailor551, I can tell you how I did it, but it will be more than buying it, thats like 2600 dollars worth of winch right there buying everything 1 piece at a time really jacks the price up, plus some of my sources are wholesale only

Nekkie · Posted: Jul 06, 2005 6:53 pm Post subject:

kento911, what's for sure is that thing will end up towing some tahitians from the back of a RAM Very Happy

this winch is looking REALLY rad... I love the throttle/brake/clutch system, just like a bike!! but didn't you plan on having some sort of speedo on it at first?

When you plan on starting to test it gimme a shout, cause I will find a way to get to socal fast Laughing

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

it has a speedo its just no on there in that picture