Guess What I Figured OUt

G-squadriderz · Posted: Feb 03, 2005 6:23 pm Post subject: Guess What I Figured OUt

Im a Engineering Student emphasis CM at Sac St and ive been thinking about how the bi level works. I ve been making drawings of it and took to my teacher about how it u would get more height cuz its straight physics, but my teacher figured out a way that would be better cost less. It would still be a bi-level shape but made out of one peice of wood or composition and some other things. SO im think what can i do with this info plus im going to have to do a senior project. U do the math. hahah

freerider4 · Backside 180 Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 2462

i'm excited (said in a gay voice)

G-squadriderz · Posted: Feb 03, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject:

Really (said in a gay voice.

Nekkie · Posted: Feb 03, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:

sounds cool, crazy_syber and I were thinking of using something else than metal to bound the boards together, something that would add pop, I guess that's what u teacher figured out, but he knows what type of materials will be best used there ^^

G-squadriderz · Posted: Feb 04, 2005 2:49 am Post subject:

hes thinks its smart to have the generated energy from the tail down on to the bottom board but he says if it was one piece it would act more as a single skate in manueverablility plus u can shuv the tail down into the water with more force. He also talk about how u can make the part under ur feet more flex or stil an vice versa with tail and nose.

seven11dmd · Posted: Feb 04, 2005 8:55 am Post subject:

G-squadriderz, so now ur saying just use one piece....meaning any board beside the bilevel?

you gotta remember that on the bi level not only are you getting the bi level fulcrum action when u snap down, but you are ALSO snapping down into the water.

cfxomega · Frontside 180 Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 466

///He's probably imagining a more flexible top deck or a few plys that aren't pressed at the tips...that would make sense, but it probably wouldn't be as durable...i remember thomas saying the top deck of the bilevel was supposed to be 5-plys...i think that changed because they were probably breaking...could any bi-level owners shed light as to how many plys are on the top deck?///
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GolferThatSkates · Posted: Feb 04, 2005 9:40 am Post subject:

I rode the bi-level (Horrell) this weekend and I think both the bottom deck and the top deck were both 9-ply. The total board including metal trucks had an overall weight that was pretty heavy. I liked the weight in the water, the pop is sick with that board. Hyperlite also makes a heavy wooded board called the Phriction. I haven't ridden it, but it weighs similar to the bi-level.[/b]

-=AlexXx=- · Posted: Feb 04, 2005 10:15 am Post subject:

hmm.. intersteing... i didnt know the phriction weighed alot? i thought the lik.. foam concave made it lighter. Question

G-squadriderz · Posted: Feb 04, 2005 1:42 pm Post subject:

The fulcrum action is smart but my prof said sense ur dealing with a liquid that displace under force that it would be smarter to have a fulcrum that is apart of both level. If u can machine a solid piece into the two level u would be able to generate more down force into the water. Force=mass X acceleration, u would be able to accelerate the board faster cause there would be no recoile and it would weight maybe even more but displace better making feel lighter on the water than the actual mass.

seven11dmd · Posted: Feb 04, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject:

sooooo....if you could do a solid compression molded bi level, alll one piece, it would work better?

i through out compression molded cuz u just cant make wood one piece.

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

GolferThatSkates, I heard the Bi is like 10 lbs, and I know the phriction is like 7 or 8, so that doesn't make sense but w/e

-=AlexXx=- · Posted: Feb 04, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject:

kento911, true... G-squadriderz, how would u make a single board bi level that has this fulcrum?

colorless · Frontside 180 Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 332

carve it out?

Nekkie · Posted: Feb 04, 2005 4:27 pm Post subject:

you could make it out of one big piece of wood lol

I was thinking of makin' a press to make much thinner decks that have the same shape as the originals, like 5 plys or less.

Then you use resin/fiber to make an outer layer on the whole surface of the decks. You make the resin/fiber flexy enough so that the flex is still given by the wooden core, ie: same feel as a wooden deck, u can even make it less flexy by using a stronger resin/fiber mix to match the flexiness of a 9 ply deck.

Would make decks that have a wood feel and a LOT of added durability...

Then you could use the same resin/fiber to seal the 2 decks together to have a one piece skate as the physics teacher suggested.

kento911 · Kickflip Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix

Nekkie, I originally wanted to make my own boards, a while back, and the idea I came up with was a one piece skate, with steps the opposite of hte Gate, with the top smaller, and then I would use the wood as a core and pres liek 2 layers of fiberglass over it, that way it would feel and weigh like wood, but have some of the durability of compression

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10756 City: Jefferton

In my opinion, one bad thing about a one-piece bi-level is once you screw something up--that's it and the board is finished (especially considering I dont' know how much cheaper your design would be). I think cassette's deck is cool in that you can customize it and buy replacement parts...I just like the idea of having options. But this all still sounds interesting to me...

Kay-Kay · Posted: Feb 05, 2005 12:42 am Post subject:

kento911, what about buying a skate deck and attaching it to a clat wakeskate. you an get an 8.5 x 32 sure its pretty small compared to a wakeskate but it would be fun to ride.

Nekkie · Posted: Feb 05, 2005 3:21 am Post subject:

I was thinking of making the top deck a straightout skate replica, the size of a wakeskate.

That's kind of the point of the bilevel allready tho. Just trying to think of ways to make it more durable, lighter (just a tad) and most importantly keep a wooden feel to it.

I'll see how hard it is to make a deck and I'll just try different numbers of plys/resin/fiberglass and so on...

Kay-Kay, I think it would be too small to be used on the water. A 40 seems to be a good size, for the bottom deck at least, you can always try with a smaller top deck ^^ But I'm thinking a 38 or so would be pretty cool too... The smaller you go, the easier it is to throw the board around under your feet. We all know how much easier it is to do kflips on a skate than on a wakeskate lol

edit: Anyone has a link to some detailed tutorial or guide on how to make a skateboard, so I can lookup what I'm going to set myself into lol

BillyOLDS · Posted: Feb 05, 2005 5:57 am Post subject:

fyi its not the top board flexing that alows it to pop, its a combo of both but....its mainly the bottom deck that allows you to pop