Probably would never work but...

kornhouse · Posted: May 13, 2009 3:50 pm Post subject: Probably would never work but...

So a few months ago I was pushing a half-empty bowl of soup (Ramen noodles to be precise) around on the counter. Have you ever done this? The liquid sploshes back against the direction of the force and then sways with the force's direction and pushes the side of the bowl thus pushing the bowl forward even more. What if this was applied into a wakeskate? It would make pokes level out and possible even push the nose downward some. In theory it would help a kickflip rotate the last 180 degrees on the X-axis faster but perhaps sloppier? 3 Shoves I'd imagine would be easier too. It's all speculation but what if I could split the plys on a wood wakeskate and hollow out a recess and insert a rectangular plastic shell 3/4 full of water and seal the top and bottom back together? This is making me really curious on it's effectiveness.

POPTART · 360 flip Joined: 24 Jul 2007 Posts: 7621

interesting theory

soy escuala · Backside 180 Joined: 16 Jan 2006 Posts: 2248

I rode a NEW pastura with loose water on the inside of it... didn't seem to help.

kornhouse · Posted: May 13, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject:

soy escuala, Like waterlogged? This water would be in a sealed plastic container and could move in any form with it's confines.

bromfutter · Posted: May 13, 2009 4:00 pm Post subject:

kornhouse, not waterlogged, more like an error in the way they were made. the top and bottom half of the skate were pressed and sealed separate and then pressed together. that left a void in the center of the board and water would leak in and back out.

uidzero · Kickflip Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 3839 City: Casselberry

I was going to say NEW has been doing this for a while Laughing

Mine sounded like a Rainstick when you flipped it end to end, until it broke Neutral

I did like the way it rode though!

Still waiting for a replacement... Wink

kornhouse · Posted: May 13, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject:

That's weird. I'd still like to try though with water that was intentionally placed inside from nose to tail Laughing

mojo · Posted: May 13, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject:

i like the ingenuity/creativity, but just h20 would not work probably. a compound with a specific viscosity would have to be used probably or else you wouldn't have any predictability. never hurts to try things out though. seems like you would want some flubber

bromfutter · Posted: May 13, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject:

kornhouse, that would be a great gimmick for selling boards. you should start a company. Laughing

but really all you would be doing, if it affected the ride at all, is making it spin and flip inconsistently.

kornhouse · Posted: May 13, 2009 4:10 pm Post subject:

mojo, Yeah I was thinking the stuff in lava lamps too. Perhaps Maple Syrup?

Smash

bromfutter, Haha nah, it'd be fun to try out though even though it probably won't work.

CStich08 · Ollie Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 91 City: Orlando

my guess is that it would make it really sloppy

i dont think that it would help the board spin the last 180 of a kickflip. IMO it would be like trying to flip a water bottle that is only half or 3/4 full. if you take a full water bottle and flip it end over end then it flips nicely, evenly, and about as fast as you want it to with a near balanced center of gravity. if you then drink 1/4 of that bottle of water and try to flip it end over end it quickly flips half to 3/4 of the way around and then, when all of the water is forced to one end of the bottle, the center of gravity gets all messed up, it begins to rotate unevenly, and that slows down the rotation of the bottle. i think that if you put a hollow insert in a wakeskate the same would happen. the shuv/kicky it would initiate nicely, but mid-rotation the CG would change and make the board go haywire.

to sum up, while ideas like this push technology in our sport, this particular one would create a board with a constantly changing balance, center of gravity, and center of rotation. this would make the board feel inconsistent under your feet, make unexpected, jerky movements as the water sloshed around, and it would spin/flip on an axis away from the center lines of the board

just my thoughts

GnarShredd · Backside 180 Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Posts: 1529 City: Seattle

CStich08, my thoughts exactly

kornhouse · Posted: May 14, 2009 2:30 pm Post subject:

So basically whoever masters this board and can land as many flip variations as Andy P. can right now while making it look pretty good is the best wakeskater out there Laughing

One_Wadey · Frontside 180 Joined: 24 Jul 2007 Posts: 492 City: Dallas

ky jelly

GnarShredd · Backside 180 Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Posts: 1529 City: Seattle

helium core. all the performance of a bi-level without the weight Rolling Eyes

kornhouse · Posted: May 14, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject:

GnarShredd, Imagine how high you'd get!

CStich08 · Ollie Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 91 City: Orlando

kornhouse, ya you'd just float around and it would allway be on your feet Shocked

maybe we could bolt our shoes to the board and get rid of the griptape all together Shocked

yookyle · Backside 180 Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 1002 City: Reno

the water bottle effect like CStich08 said would happen. the last 90 would be way easy but like in a water bottle thats half full if you try and flip it the first 270 is like impossible. haah ( i made this asumption while playing with a water bottle)

Gnarly Dancer 42 · 360 flip Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 5121 City: kalamazoo

i think that the water would just hit the other side of the container and cancel out the motion and probably not feel that different at all

i think this might be newtons law or something Wink

-=AlexXx=- · Posted: May 14, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject:

new was not doing that on purpose, the epoxy and resin stuff they were using were getting air bubbles in them and so water was getting in it and getting stuck like a crab trap and it sounded like a rain stick but never really effected the board much, just made it a bit heavier...