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| Jonah 1:12 wrote: | | che blanc, when you pick and choose what is true and not true in the Bible you have created your own religion. Maybe you should call it United Church of Manatee Riders. |
you dont pick and choose... you just read it with an objective eye... like i believe the bible to be a relatively accurate document of the past but since it was written many years after the fact then i doubt everything is accurate... also dont forget about the catholic church during the dark ages made many alterations to the bible to keep power over the population because the only bibles were writtten in latin and only priests knew how to read it... so the catholic church would "update" the bible...
if you want to debate about the bible a fun topic is the dinasaurs... when in the seven days the earth was created to when man was created were the dinasaurs alive? i mean it is proven that man didnt live with the dinasaurs and since the bible was written before we knew about the dinasaurs they mistakingly wrote that the earth was created in seven days... also with carbon dating we know the earth to be a few billion years old... if you go back all the generations to adam and eve (as told in teh bible) it makes the earth only a few thousand years.... (a few hundred thousand years if you want to be generous and really believe moses lived a couple hundred years old)... and the earliest man has been dated to be much older than that so that dosnt match up.... but anyway those are the easiest things to disprove in the bible...
btw my thoughts go alot faster than my fingers on the keyboard so i hope all that made sense and i didnt jump around any...
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JeffKnox
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deltarider, i dont understand how you can honestly take in other point of views and religions when you think you have already come to the truth...
i mean i have no idea if im right or not... i take everyday as a new day and think maybe ill learn something new that will change my perspective on the world... maybe today jesus actually comes back to be my best friend and go wakeskating with me, then i would have to admit i was wrong... or maybe science finds proof on how the universe was really created disproving all religions to this day and begining a new one... i dont know but evey day i look to expand my mind and soul to learnign new things and not get stuck on just one...
if you already think you know the truth (which you dont cause you werent there,,, everything you believe is hearsay so you cant be 100 percent sure) than there is no room to learn about anything new... you only can learn about what you want to learn... which is very onesided perspective
ps my statement about christians using loose terms to win a debate (like faith) was not a fact without evidence.... it was merely a stereotype against many christians... ihve no idea if you are one of them... but im just saying alot of people blindly believe which irks me... so im not a hypocrite...
you mean name caller... i dont know why we have to resort to such lowness 
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nick
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Hahahahhaha I love it when Christians call anything other than Christianity a cult. Keep on keepin on guys, at least you got something your that passionate about, I think that's an important part of it.
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| Posted: Jun 16, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Organized religion is the largest flaw of the human race. |
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Jonah 1:12
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| Posted: Jun 16, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Dictionary definition; A religious cult is an organization that has departed from mainstream Christianity to follow doctrines that are not Biblical. They hold their leader's Bible contradictions over the Word of God.
I am by no means religious. I am in a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ. God wants us to know him, not just about him. He made you because he loves you. I pray some day you will know him personally and understand how he has blessed you with a talent to ride manatees professionally. |
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nick
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| Quote: | | In religion and sociology, a cult is a term designating a cohesive group of people (generally, but not exclusively a relatively small and recently founded religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be outside the mainstream. Its status may come about either due to its novel belief system, its idiosyncratic practices, its perceived harmful effects on members, or because its perceived opposition to the interests of the mainstream culture. Non-religious groups may also display cult-like characteristics. |
No where in there does it say that it's a departure from mainstream Christianity.
And by your definition, Protestantism is/was a cult. I don't know the numbers.
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| so are you saying that The Church of Brientology is a cult? blasphemy. |
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| Posted: Jun 17, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| JeffKnox, before you ask me any more questions, are you drunk? |
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| Posted: Jun 17, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| che blanc wrote: | | And by your definition, Protestantism is/was a cult. I don't know the numbers. |
I don't want to say you're wrong or anything, but by all means, you are completely incorrect. |
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| JeffKnox, see that's the thing about science. They can prove all of these theories about how the world was formed and how we can to be. But, they will never be able to prove that God doesn't exist, that's why my faith in God is so strong, there isn't anything that can prove He doesn't exist. |
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| Posted: Jun 17, 2007 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| deltarider, give me unarguable proof that god does exist. |
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| deltarider wrote: | | JeffKnox, before you ask me any more questions, are you drunk? |
there is nothing in his post that hints that he is innebriated. why would you ask this question? |
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nick
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| deltarider wrote: | | che blanc wrote: | | And by your definition, Protestantism is/was a cult. I don't know the numbers. |
I don't want to say you're wrong or anything, but by all means, you are completely incorrect. |
When Protestantism was enacted by Martin Luther of Germany, it was a deviation of the mainstream Christianity of the time (Orthodox Catholicism).
I'm not saying that Protestantism is a cult. I'm saying that his definition is wrong. If I said Protestantism is a cult, I would be wrong.
But you didn't read into it. You saw a message, an idea, that might be different from the one you like, and you instantly labeled it wrong. You outspokenly labeled it wrong. You are set in your way, and that's cool. But don't claim to be infinitely open to new ideas if you are just going to stamp them all wrong behind your ulitmate truth. That's like a cop getting one story from the first witness and laughing in the face of the others when they tell theirs, should it deviate from the first story.
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| che blanc, in reading all your posts it is obvious that you know who your creater is. I think for some reason you believe God has let you down or hurt you in the past. You are also trying to justify your ungodly actions. You know what is right, so do it. |
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| Jonah 1:12 wrote: | | che blanc, in reading all your posts it is obvious that you know who your creater is. I think for some reason you believe God has let you down or hurt you in the past. You are also trying to justify your ungodly actions. You know what is right, so do it. |
Hahahaha  In your world, that's probably how it goes. I know what I am, where I come from, where I'm going, and you'd like to find a way around that, because you think God hurt me. I serve no such grudge. I believe that the mark of the depth of your ignorance is your belief in injustice and tragedy.
You can not even comprehend how someone like me could be at complete peace with my life and my world without answering to your god. But I can smile, knowing.
I live by my ultimate truth. Jesus tried to tell you about it. And then his message was desecrated. And you live by that.
Anymore assumptions about my life that you could summon up from your comedic genius?
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| Mr. Top Hat wrote: | | deltarider, give me unarguable proof that god does exist. |
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kyle13
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| Mr. Top Hat, there is not inagurable facts to prove God, but on the same token neither is there facts to prove there isn't. This leaves it open for one to choose one faith or the other, or have no faith at all. I have a question though. When looking at the creation of the earth without a supior being involved, how did it start? Yes macro-evoloution has been "proved" plausible in public school textbooks (which are about effective as using the mainstream media to keep up with political matters) but the scientific research still lacks supporting facts to transform it from a hypothesis to a fact. Where did the things that created the big boom come from? Where did a space come from that would support a solar system? It has been proven many times that something cannot come from nothing. This has lead me to believe that something/someone had start things moving. |
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kyle13, i dont know, nor do i care. we are here right now, im not sure how we got here, but i do know we are here and thats good enough for me. you will not actually see me argue my own personal beliefs on this site, besides deathbed conversion that is.
if you are going to defend your religion by saying there is no solid evidence to prove that its wrong you better at least have some solid evidence to prove that its correct. |
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kyle13
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Mr. Top Hat, If there were proof, belief in God wouldn't be called faith but rather deductive reasoning or something.
I used the example of our existence because this is raises the question of belief in something, either a superior being (God) or evolution.
I'm just saying, that looking at the creation of the earth, it seems to me something would have started it all, and unless God did I don't really know who else could have done it. It's not proof just the reason I started seeking God.
I don't believe in religion, but a relationship with God. Im not trying to defend the existence of God, just give reasons I believe that there is one. I've never specifically called anyone wrong on this site, just tried to give reasons that what I believe is right. In my personal life, once I stepped out in faith and believed in God he proved his existence to me personally. It is not my job to "convert" people, just present what I believe and let God do the rest.
The only time I attempted to defend what I believed was when people calle dbe closeminded or ignorant. Or when someone make some incorrect statements about the Bible. I didn't start posting on this thread as a mission to prove people wrong.
I know what a deathbead converstaion is but I'm interested in hearing what you believe about it. What do you plan on believing on your deathbed? |
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