Tricks Database

Dave Barousse · Faceplant Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 5

I am starting to collect tricks for a trick dictionary. If you would like to submit some tricks to the Tricks Database, click on the link below.

http://www.wakeskating.com/tricksdb/submittricks.php

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10751 City: Jefferton

Dave, I have a question. What are we going to do about "direction specific grabs" like leins, indys, slobs, and mutes? Are we just going to ignore that and stick with the "wakeboarding thing" or what? Also, are there going to be Half cabs, or can we just say switch frontside, unless someone actually half cabs off of their nose (fakie). I guess I'd just like to know what's what before I would try to submit stuff. Thanks!

ollieshuvitz · Posted: Dec 22, 2003 8:59 pm Post subject:

I say we should point the grabs and all the tricks in the direction that skateboarding, the godfather of this sport if you will, has guided us. We need to distance ourselves from wakeboarding, if we wish to remain different. lol...w/e, just lets make the grabs the same as skateboarding.

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10751 City: Jefferton

It's definitely easy to say "let's take our grabs from skating" and I totally agree with that (that's what I'd rather see). But then are we going to make the wake like a reverse half pipe? For instance, toeside jumps would be frontside jumps and heelside jumps would be backside airs (it's basically the same as skating when you think about it like that). However, if you adopt that "terminology" then a few other things would change, like stock spins and then having alleyoop spins instead of having "toeside backside 3" (which would be an alley oop three) or whatever. That's why it's hard to say, "well, let's just take things from skating." Please don't take this post the wrong way chris. I totally agree with you, but if we take that route, a whole lot of things will change and I know that not everyone is down to re-learn all of their trick names....

Dave, what are your thoughts? Anyone? In my opinion, I think we should make this change but I don't know how to make this "revolution" work and like I said before, I know that not everyone would like it.

skatingguy · Pop Shuvit Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 156 City: Birmingham

I think doing stuff wake-to-wake is more of a kicker-ramp type deal, so I'd just say name the grabs like you're doing them off a kicker on a skateboard: front hand, toe edge is just mute-- back hand, toe edge is just indy or "frontside grab" (they're interchangeable when you're not doing it off of some transition)-- front hand, heel edge is melon or "backside grab". I think trying to make the wakes into a "reverse half pipe" would get way too complicated and probably just confuse everybody-- plus I don't think it would make the names much like skateboarding, which seems to be your goal. Doing grabs "off the lip" might be a different story, but I think that would still confuse everybody, trying to treat names of tricks off a wake like tricks off a quaterpipe. Toeside and heelside are good terms; you could just say like "toeside off-the-lip indy" and that way you could avoid saying "frontside indy" ("frontside indy" is a pure evil combination of words, capable of destroying planets and creating forest fires and making snowboarders sound stupid)

greg van wagnen · Posted: Dec 23, 2003 2:36 am Post subject:

one thing is i do not want to learn new names to stuff and im sure lots of other people dont either. also if you change stuff up you will have to deal with wakeboarders calling tricks something different then wakeskaters. i would not change toeside and heelside. thats like changing kickflip and heelflip to counter clockwise fliper thingy and clockwise fliper thingy, its just dumb to do. i would just have there be frontside and backside spins, toeside and heel side jumps, and then whatever the grab/flip trick/whatever else is and thats it. dont make it complicated or people wont do it. and dont make it a drastic change from wakeboarding becuase most people dont start out wakeskating, they begin with wakeboarding so thats what they know and its hard to make people change. im tired so if this is dumb ill delete it tommorow

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10751 City: Jefferton

Greg, I'm not sure but I think I said that nobody would want to re-learn all of the trick names. The kickflip/heelflip analogy was kind of bogus....

I know it would never work, but the wake behind the boat is like a spine. To me, it's not like a kicker because you aren't just doing straight airs. To me, you're doing frontside (toeside) and heelside (backside) airs. But the kicker analogy would probably work better for most people because it wouldnt' be a drastic change.

Skatingguy, how does turning the wake into a spine ("reverse half pipe") not make the tricks "skate like?" In a way, it'd be more like snowboarding because you're only moving in one direction (forward), where as on a skateboard you have the option of going back and forth.

By the way, I've seen heads explode from the "frontside indy."

Dave Barousse · Faceplant Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 5

I definitely don't have all of the answers, but I can tell you that whatever is entered into the tricks database is not a permanent thing. We can always alter it if the majority does not agree on a trick name and/or description.

I am going to add a grab category. I can't believe I forgot that.

As for the reverse spine, I totally understand what you mean. I do, however, think that it would be confusing to all of a sudden start thinking that way. In my opinion, we will have to use wakeboarding and skating terms. Isn't wakeskating a hybrid of wakeboarding and skateboarding?

Also, if you guys have any suggestions on how to better categorize the tricks, please let me know. I want this "guide" to be the best.

greg van wagnen · Posted: Dec 23, 2003 11:54 am Post subject:

electricsnow, i know the kickflip thing was way out there but that was kinda the point, people wouldnt want something to change that much. and like dave said this isnt skateboarding completly its a hybrid of wakeboarding and skateboarding. we shouldnt just totaly ingnore wakeboarding, it is part of wakeskating.

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10751 City: Jefferton

I don't dispute the fact that wakeskating has a little bit to do with wakeboarding, but remember, some of the tricks wakeboarders are doing, they didn't even invent--like grabs and a number of spins (which came from skating). And how many tricks are wakeskaters doing that are actually "wakeboarding" tricks? (Besides oles:) )

I personally don't like the way that wakeboarding was set up. It's the only sport (with wakeskating) where you have to say a mouthful just to say a spin (Hey doode, I can do a heelside frontside 540. Love me! Want me!) In my opinion, there could have been a much better way to set things up. But that's just me and I know things will never change.

funnyfeni · Posted: Dec 23, 2003 11:29 pm Post subject:

lets do this... if some one grabs a board, then everyone goes. hey he grabbed the board, or hey! the board moved like a farriswheel! lets do it that way Birthday

greg van wagnen · Posted: Dec 24, 2003 1:11 pm Post subject:

electricsnow, good point on the spinnin iv always hated that especialy becuase you can do a wraped heelside offaxis nosegrabbed frontside 540, im not saying we should call something that was invented in skateboarding a wakeboard name but it wouldnt work to make everything in wakeskating a skateboard term becuase it isnt exactly the same.

funnyfeni · Posted: Dec 25, 2003 12:23 pm Post subject:

i got a question.. i've always noticed this with shuvits off the lip.. there only half like a 90 degree shuvit. well i was watching fuel tv and saw this guy doing a "5-0 pivit shuvit or something like that. wouldnt those be called the shuvits of the lip and regular shuvits are the ones that the board does 180 degrees. i know it might be confusing but maybe electric knows what i mean.

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funnyfeni · Posted: Dec 28, 2003 1:27 pm Post subject:

ok heres this... what the hell is the differnce between a 5-0 pivot and a shuvit off the lip.??

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10751 City: Jefferton

A 5-0 is a grind, so that really wouldn't be done off the lip of the wake (in my opinion and I'm not interested in arguing with anyone). If anything, a 5-0 pivot would be done on a rail or some sort of obstacle. When you saw that trick on tv, did he do a 5-0 and then sort of shifty (not back and forth, just in one direction) either frontside or backside and then continue to shove in the same direction?

To pivot, you're balancing on your back truck and then turning 90 degrees (If I'm wrong, feel free to jump in and correct me) and with a 5-0, you're supposed to be grinding on your back truck, so I'm envisioning a 5-0 grind with some sort of 90 degree shifty. Sorry, I'm just thinking out loud. Anyway, if I'm thinking about this correctly, a 5-0 pivot and a shoveit off of the lip are two completely different things. What exactly confused you about the two? Perhaps I'm not envisioning the 5-0 pivot as you saw it....

Ok, now I see what you're saying. There isn't another name for the 90 degree shoveit, and the 5-0 pivot is different than a lipslide shoveit. Like I said, the former is a grind (including the pivot) and the other is just a half shove (from a boardslide, not a grind). I've always wondered about that because there's a name when you take a boardslide 90 degrees to fakie (just a boardslide to fakie), but there wasn't any name for a half-shove; another name for that would probably be stupid. ANyway, I hope that helps and if anyone else has anything to say, jump in and have at it.

funnyfeni · Posted: Dec 28, 2003 7:58 pm Post subject:

ohhhhh.. yeah the dude was on a quarter pipe and balancing on his back truck

Catalyst · Backside 180 Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 736 City: Kelowna

they are shuvs i guess but maybe they need a new name like lipslide fufu out or something. hahha never mind shuv just sounds better. Shocking

Parky · Guest

when is this going to be up and running?

Dave Barousse · Faceplant Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 5

It has been up and running. It needs more tricks before I do anything else with it.

http://www.wakeskating.com/tricksdb/submittricks.php

Catalyst · Backside 180 Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 736 City: Kelowna

when like someone lands a new trick that hasnt been done you should put that trick up and like write first landed by and stuff. ALso have like links to video clips of the tricks.