What to call wakeskate tricks!??!?!

Subvert · Ollie Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Posts: 77 City: Atlanta

Now, being really anal about the names of tricks is dumb, we know that, but we think that it has recently become just confusing. Chysler? Christ Air? Kickflip Rewind? Nose hook impossible? Granny nut jump Botox melon monkey? We need to decide where there is enough difference from a skate inspired trick to call it something new or just modify it. Either way, it’s getting confusing. So, rather than everyone turning this thread into their opinion of which trick is which, let's offer suggestions as to what would be the best way to come to an agreement of what to call a trick.

My suggestion, get a group of pro riders together and have them go from trick to trick naming them and then post them here in a locked thread. When a new trick is invented, the same as before, the rider get's to name it. Just a thought.

greg van wagnen · Posted: Dec 09, 2003 4:21 pm Post subject:

thats a good idea except for people like me, if i get to name tricks that i land first the names are going to be weird. i say stick to skateboard names mostly. do you really want me naming tricks that will be called that forever?

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10751 City: Jefferton

I say that we should stick to skate names if the trick is in fact a skate trick. If someone invents a new trick (that is, a completely new trick and not one that's been done on a skateboard), they should get to name it. Granted, people have had their beach sessions about how wakeboarders made up some stupid trick names, but every board sport has them so I think it's dumb to point fingers.

I would like to say that I don't think a group of pros should get together to name or re-name some tricks. It's like trying to be god or something (don't take that the wrong way, it was a nice suggestion but I hope you can kind of see what I mean). Besides, not every pro may know everything, or they may not even care, and here are a few examples. First of all, in snap people are calling switch frontside 180s half cabs. Yes, they got that from wakeboarding but that's still wrong because there is a difference between switch and cab tricks. I don't want this to come off wrong, but in snap the narrator tried to describe a half cab in snap and he said something like "to do a half cab, you come in switch..." which is wrong already. Now, I'd like to make it clear that it's not necessarily this persons fault and snowboaders and wakeboarders have been using that trick name for awhile, so I don't want to blame it on him. But, if wakeskaters (and whomever else) want to say "cab" for switch frontside when it really is a backside spinning trick (If you truly are doing a cab--el was right and I finally figured out why), maybe they don't care in the first place that they're misusing a term. My other example (which is debatable, I guess it's more of a pet peeve) is when the people at other magazines try to write photo captions and say it's a boardslide 180 out instead of a boardslide to fakie. God, if you do a 50-50 frontside 180 out and a boardslide to fakie, those aren't the same and the former is much harder.

One other mistake (which comes from snowboarding I'm sure) is mute and slob. mute is supposed to be grabbed in between your feet on a backside air and slobs are in between your feet on a frontside air. I'm sure the mistakes came from snowboarding because of their ten-inch stances that were set back with two feet of nose. Anyway, I've thought about this stuff a lot (probably too much) and I don't think there's really any hope for change. People are set in their ways and I think people that are trying to change trick names (myself included) will come off as either pompus or "too concerned about the small stuff."

Another thing I've noticed from snowboarding regarding the jibs is that, for the most part, they've kept the skate trick. Outside of a k-grind and a nose grind (which have become crooked nose presses and nosepresses) they've all remained the same, minus the "grind" part. I guess that's something to think about, although I think some of the stuff (like "feebles") looks stupid on a snowboard because all you're doing is shifting around and it just isn't the same. But at the same time, there are technicalities that make a trick *a trick* so I don't think it's possible to cross over every trick name.

Anyway, it's cool that you care about this so I applaud your effort to do something about it. All I've done is written letters to mags, some of which have been published (and others have been used for toilet paper).

Hey, did you hear that? My brain is about to explode....

Lastly, I'm not trying to come off like I know everything, but I have worked hard at trying to learn "what is what" so to speak, and you can always learn more. A good example of this is the "kickflip rewind" thread because I don't think there's been a definite answer.

skatingguy · Pop Shuvit Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 156 City: Birmingham

One thing that bugs me is the idea some pro wakeboarders have that any backside grab in front of your front foot is a "method" grab; if you don't curl your knees and tweak the board up, though, it's really just a regular backside grab; it's not even a melon (which has to be between your legs). The mute/slob confusion bugs me too; good job on pointing that out, electricsnow.

flyguy1823 · Pop Shuvit Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 112 City: halifax

im completely confused about trick names partly because im not good enough to do ne trick (i no its sad), partly because i really dont care about it, partly because of all the tricks changing names frum different sport, and partly because all of the flip tricks in skateboarding and wakeskating look the same to me. i think that if people didnt give different names to tricks that are very much alike but u like tweak it or something it should just be called the name of the trick with a tweak or shift at the end; example indy shift or indy tweak or something of that kind.

2 more things real quik
wat the hell is a pete rose and i no this is immuture but i cant hold back

Subvert, u said anal lol sorry Embarassed

nick · Posted: Dec 09, 2003 7:09 pm Post subject:

a pete rose is a toeside backroll with a frontside 360. many pro wakeboarders grab these tricks and it makes the rotation look very strange so i understand why it was confusing

ollieshuvitz · Posted: Dec 09, 2003 7:47 pm Post subject:

electricsnow, so is my "Darkstart" a anti-casper or a "Darkstart" as a new trick...I mean, I got the idea from sk8boarding, so I guess its an anti-casper start.

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10751 City: Jefferton

chris41, I'm going to leave that one for skatinguy. I have so much to learn when it comes to oldschool freestyle tricks...

Skatinguy, I agree with you on the method debauchery. One other grab that is neglected is the lien. I think I've seen one lien actually "labeled" as such, except for the fact that it was actually a tantrum with a tailfish grab. How that passed the editor, I'll never know....

I've been thinking about this a lot, and If I could change things, I'd approach the wake as being a reverse half pipe, or like a spine and then name tricks from that. Then you wouldn't have to deal with a "toeside, frontside 360" or whatever and you could just do a frontside three, or if you did a "toeside backside 3" you could just call it an alley-oop three (you know, just base things off of a half pipe). That would make it easier to label grabs too, like an indy vs a frontside air and then the mute vs slob example earlier. But that's just my opinion and maybe it wouldn't work...

Tyler*moore · Pop Shuvit Joined: 07 Dec 2003 Posts: 248 City: Knoxville

Subvert, I think you have a pretty good Idea. I dont know the tricks names anyways. so it doesnt make a difference to me where they come from as long as I can pronounce them...

greg van wagnen · Posted: Dec 09, 2003 10:04 pm Post subject:

i would say keep the wake to wake stuff like wakeboarding, like toeside frontside 3 and that kinda stuff but the flip tricks and shovits and that stay skateboarding. if something has already been done then why rename it? i get confused enough as it is so i dont really want to change any names of anything.

skatingguy · Pop Shuvit Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 156 City: Birmingham

Okay, I just wrote a whole long post about this crap, but it got deleted and I don't feel like writing it again, so I'll try to post it later. As for the "darkstart," I think it was more of a "casper start," except that for a casper you're technically supposed to have your front foot off of the ground, balancing on the tip of your tail.

Tyler*moore · Pop Shuvit Joined: 07 Dec 2003 Posts: 248 City: Knoxville

Is there anywhere where I can see a wakeskate trick list???

flyguy1823 · Pop Shuvit Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 112 City: halifax

hey can some1 please tell me wat the hell is a pete rose

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10751 City: Jefferton

Flyguy, read the posts. Someone already answered your question.

Greg, I don't think things will change, and I'm sure there are many people like you that wouldn't want to re-learn a bunch of trick names, or they wouldn't understand where they're coming from. I was just saying that if I could change things (I guess almost like going back in time) that's one thing I'd like to do. It's not like a bunch of skiboarders would know any of that stuff anyway.

greg van wagnen · Posted: Dec 10, 2003 8:55 pm Post subject:

electricsnow, o sweet, ya if everything changed all of a sudden id get so confused. id feel like old people at ATMs

ollieshuvitz · Posted: Dec 10, 2003 11:41 pm Post subject:

skatingguy, ok, "Casper Start" sounds better anyway then the darkstart. Well, at least its another trick...speaking of which, Subvert maybe could have a trick list section or sumthin with descriptions of every wakeskating trick and add new ones as they're invented or w/e. Just an idea.

skatingguy · Pop Shuvit Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 156 City: Birmingham

Dave asked me if I wanted to a trick list a long time ago, but I've been really lazy recently and haven't gotten around to it yet.

Yuri · Raley Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 1977 City: orlando

yeah that would be cool but it would be a lot of work!!

Dave Barousse · Faceplant Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 5

nick · Posted: Dec 11, 2003 3:37 pm Post subject:

perfect