procedure to raplace delmmaded bi-levels

catalyst112

anyone know what i need to do? I've already sent Cassette some pictures.

Grouch · Kickflip Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 3146 City: The OC

Here are 3 easy steps to follow to replace your bi-level

1. Take your brand new ridden twice broken bi-level and throw it away.
2. Replace it with an Integrity
3. Ride it and not worry about anything breaking, warping, cracking, paint coming
off, etc...

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10751 City: Jefferton

You know, it's really funny that people want to see a magazine that doesn't try to sell people something and is basically bias free. I, on the other hand, would LOVE to see a post where grouch isn't trying to sell something.

Nice advice, grouch. You're really helpful.

Catalyst, I can't remember, did you win the deck through a contest? Or maybe you traded it and got it through a shop. If you got it through the latter, I'd contact the shop. Otherwise, sending cassette some pics is a good start.

SCBrips · Posted: May 16, 2005 7:07 pm Post subject:

Another predictable answer from Grouch that doesn't help at all.

What's with all the Cassette bashing? Shouldn't "ROCs" be supportive of each other; especially Cassette and Integrity? Cassette does their sh*t for the right reasons, and it's straight up not right to kick them when they're down. They're innovating, just like Erich does at Integrity. I respect that.

Anyway catalyst112... Where did you buy your board? When did you send off the pictures? Have you gotten any feedback yet? Have you talked to Thomas or emailed him? Cassette makes good on their sh*t so I wouldn't worry about it.

catalyst112 · Posted: May 16, 2005 7:22 pm Post subject:

I actually talked with Thomas a month ago and sent him the pics maybe 2 weeks ago, along with an email. I made it clear i know how busy they've got to be. Thomas returned my call the next day actually so I know he cares about keeping keeping his word on the bi level.

And i preordered the board from Boardstop.com

LFfool246 · Pop Shuvit Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 178

I sure hope Thomas gets everything figured out and have the company back to normal soon. I really respect Thomas and only want the best for cassette. The bi-levels are sick, they will be unstopable when the new batch comes out. I dont care what everyone says "get an integrity", sure integrity is great but I rather ride a CASSETTE.

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10751 City: Jefferton

Cool catalyst, then I think things will get taken care of. If anything, dave might be able to advise you because I know he's been working with thomas too.

Catalyst · Backside 180 Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 736 City: Kelowna

electricsnow, your thinking of me, the other catalyst haha. Anyways im quite pissed off at the entire situation regarding my deck. I took it to the shop where i got it, and asked them to see if they could warrantee it. They had problems getting in contact with the local rep and eventually without even looking at the deck the rep in a nut shell said you know what deal with it. To me that is shizzle, not only is the board delaming after two rides but the fin holes weren't drilled properly and i cant ride with two fins. Ive tried to email thomas directly but im getting very little response. If cassette cant stand behind there product then there is no way ill be looking there for another, id rather ride a hyperlite cause atleast they deal with their shizzle.

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10751 City: Jefferton

Yeah, I'm really surprised that the rep would act like that...anyway, I would be patient with thomas since he's been busy (I know, you've heard it before but people don't even know the half of it. And like itch once said, he's just one person with a larger company to deal with).

Catalyst · Backside 180 Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 736 City: Kelowna

yeah i totaly understand that hes busy, but for a company to basically say deal with it when product is warranteed seems like shizzle, i hope it will all work out though

twenty7 · Posted: May 17, 2005 12:02 am Post subject:

Grouch, had it right!

Here are 3 easy steps to follow to replace your bi-level

1. Take your brand new ridden twice broken bi-level and throw it away.
2. Replace it with an Integrity
3. Ride it and not worry about anything breaking, warping, cracking, paint coming
off, etc

im on my second bi-lev and it is starting to delam.........even though i love the way the bi-lev rides my next board will be an integ................no question about it!

Rob · Posted: May 17, 2005 5:31 am Post subject:

Yeah but twenty7, did your replaced bi-level come from the 2nd bash? Otherwise, what did u expect?

Grouch · Kickflip Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 3146 City: The OC

I wasnt trying to be disrespectful or totally bash cassette...I was just trying to my usual smart ass self.

Sorry Embarassed

twenty7 · Posted: May 17, 2005 9:47 am Post subject:

Rob,

thats the problem...i dont know if the board i got is from the second batch. i dont believe there is a way of telling. it was just sent to me by cassette a few weeks ago as a replacement board. i think im supposed to believe its from the second batch...but i do have my doubts..........(specially as it is now in the begining stages of delaming)

libertytatz · Ollie Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 77 City: Atlanta

Bi levels are always going to delam . It is the design, two painted pieces of wood flexing is going split the sealant and allow water to get in. The thing that makes bilevels great is also its downfall. There is alot of force pulling and pushing on those decks , I would even be skeptical of a non-wood bilevel.

cbsmith999 · Faceplant Joined: 04 Apr 2005 Posts: 30 City: Montgomery

Liberty, I agree that these decks are always going to have problems, don't get me wrong though, it is definitly the best deck I've ever placed my feet upon. The big question is going to be how Cassette markets a deck that everyone knows won't last a month, espically at $275, then backs it it with a warranty without going under.

Another question I have...is there anyone out there riding an '05 Cassette NON BI-LEVEL deck that is delaminating? So far everyone is saying the glue and the sealant were bad but if none of the other Cassette decks are delaming, that excuse to me is shot to hell. And once again we must view the bi-level as wakeskating's neccessary evil.

Dave Barousse · Faceplant Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 5

twenty7 · Posted: May 17, 2005 10:30 am Post subject:

i ordered an 05 4track and it was shipped to me delamed! never even touched the water and the delam was large enough to slide a quarter in between the wood. i sent it back and the replacement was on back order so i just upgraded to the bi-lev.

dont get me wrong...the bi-lev IS the best board ive ever been on...but im tired of dealing with the problems. so im "gonna ride integ because pirate says so" haha.

INDEFINITE · Faceplant Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 28

The design of the bi-level is not what is hurting the design, it is the fact that the glue lines on the boards were not properly done, which means, that the glue was not distributed evenly throughout the process of lamination. This is what is causing the boards to delam. If properly laminated right, there should be black lines throughout the layers of the boards plys. (You can tell this by looking at the sides of your boards).

PIRATE · Guest

INDEFINITE, yeah 27's board has a wierd line in the pressed layers. i know what you meen.

Grouch, that a boy Laughing