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Dave Barousse Faceplant

Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 5
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Posted: Jul 25, 2004 11:07 pm Post subject: Fahrenheit 9/11 |
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I finally decided to go see Fahrenheit 9/11 this weekend. Did any of you see it and if so, what did you think? |
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BillyOLDS Kickflip


Joined: 19 Sep 2003 Posts: 3698 City: orlando/winterpark
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Posted: Jul 25, 2004 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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i havent seen it but i thnk it sound so one sided it ridiculous and if thats tru i wouldnt want to see it even if i hated busch or not |
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satori* Backside 180

Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 629 City: boca raton
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Posted: Jul 25, 2004 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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i loved farenheit 9/11.most of the information i had already known, though. but kudo's to michael moore for putting that out there, that took guts, conviction, and true purpose if you asked me. and i hope it gets heard and taken seriously, and people believe it. _________________ you must lose your mind to come to your senses. |
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Steven M 2 Legit 2 Quit

Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 3638 City: Menlo Park/ Bay Area
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Posted: Jul 25, 2004 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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never heard of it.
whats it about? politics? |
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Todd Pop Shuvit


Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 211 City: Battle Ground
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Posted: Jul 25, 2004 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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satori*, you summed it up great. As for the people who say stuff like "i havent seen it but i thnk it sound so one sided it ridiculous and if thats tru i wouldnt want to see it even if i hated busch or not" make your own desion, don't let others do it for you.
Facts are Facts
Granted Moore does twist them to fit is own agenda, but it is still the dirty truth _________________ www.integrity-wake.com |
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seven11dmd Backside 180


Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 2427 City: Northern VA
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Posted: Jul 26, 2004 12:09 am Post subject: |
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worst movie ever....i wanted to go see it so people couldnt tell me that i didnt see it....anyways its all liberal propoganda crap and it got pretty freakin ridiculous at times....it was funny sometimes though, like with the 1800 # stuff _________________ JMU |
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kento911 Kickflip


Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix
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Posted: Jul 26, 2004 12:25 am Post subject: |
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I saw bowling for columbine, Moore is so pompous and one sided, I would never go see one of his extreme left wing rhetoric pieces again; I think it's bs, because if someone that obviously bias towards conservatism made a movie nobody would give it the time of day, but society has become so liberalistic, it bothers me, we need to start a political party that is niether liberal or conservative, well be the realistic party _________________ why dont you try playing hide and go Fvck yourself |
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Todd Pop Shuvit


Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 211 City: Battle Ground
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Posted: Jul 26, 2004 12:26 am Post subject: |
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the truth hurts sometimes. and you can't contest facts
" I like to dig and look for bugs"
"There is an old saying in Texas, I'm sure its in Tennessee; fool me once ..................same on.......... me..........fool me twice..........................................you......you can get fooled again."
President Bush our fearless leader, with a guy like that in office I think I am going to run for President when I am 35. Hell I couldn't do any worse than him and 42% of America is still going to vote for him. I might get 50% and I'll not let over 900 young men die for a false cause. _________________ www.integrity-wake.com |
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seven11dmd Backside 180


Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 2427 City: Northern VA
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Todd Pop Shuvit


Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 211 City: Battle Ground
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Posted: Jul 26, 2004 12:29 am Post subject: |
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kento911, also isn't the Republicans giving the Iraqi people $1 Billion in help the most liberal, socialist thing this county has ever done. wait............... oh yeah it is. _________________ www.integrity-wake.com |
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seven11dmd Backside 180


Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 2427 City: Northern VA
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Posted: Jul 26, 2004 12:37 am Post subject: |
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so why are u complainging? _________________ JMU |
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Todd Pop Shuvit


Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 211 City: Battle Ground
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Posted: Jul 26, 2004 12:40 am Post subject: |
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I am nauseated by the attitude of if you question your government then you hate America. The Guy making " Micheal Moore Hates America" is the silliest thing I have ever seen,.
I am hogging this form and need to stop, I will leave off tonight with a whopper for all the Hannity/Rush sheep, I mean fans, fans .....sorry I get confused sometimes. I personally don't like Micheal Moore but he is ten times the patriot President Bush is because he uses his free speech to call attention to a obvious flaw in our government insted of continuing to lie and lie . I Know you will al think I am some left-wing tree huggger, but no I am just and informed American disgusted with the current administrasion _________________ www.integrity-wake.com |
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seven11dmd Backside 180


Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 2427 City: Northern VA
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Posted: Jul 26, 2004 1:43 am Post subject: |
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lol i think dave posted this to cause controversy _________________ JMU |
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kento911 Kickflip


Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix
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Posted: Jul 26, 2004 1:45 am Post subject: |
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kento911 wrote: | we need to start a political party that is niether liberal or conservative, well be the realistic party |
NowTodd, wouldn't you say "REALISTICALLY" giving the Iraqi people $1 Billion is dog crap, wait yes it is, Im agreeing with you on the state of our nation so ease off I think Rush is a hypocritical biggot fat @$$, and I could care about Hannity- Never the less Whether or not you are a left-wing tree hugger, which according to you you aren't(and I belive you), or whether or not I vote republican ONLY to protect my second amendmant rights, and b/c of the rediculous wellfare problem in San Bernardino County( don't even argue with me about well fare either, b/c I live in San Bernardino County, the wellfare, murder, and methlab capital of the State of CA)........ despite all that; this is still a true statement
" Moore is so pompous and one sided, I would never go see one of his extreme left wing rhetoric pieces again; I think it's bs, because if someone that obviously bias towards conservatism made a movie nobody would give it the time of day, but society has become so liberalistic, it bothers me"
Im not saying I support a heavilly right wing biased movie in that statement Im saying it's a double standard, neither party/wing should recieve kudos for that type of obviously biased rhetorical bs, If you agree with it that's fine, but just realize any movie like that it is heavily biased and it is propaganda, whether by the right or left. _________________ why dont you try playing hide and go Fvck yourself |
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Todd Pop Shuvit


Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 211 City: Battle Ground
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Posted: Jul 26, 2004 8:35 am Post subject: |
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kento911, here is a retord per your request. Look at Kerry Gun Contol Palatform, it is less restrictive than Bush's preposted plan. Kerry's stance is the exact same as mine.
1. Close the gun shop loophole nationwide for instant and un tracked purchaces of handguns, by inposind the same wanting period.
2. Fully automatic ban, I know alot of people look at this as a "slippery slope" but I feel it is nessicery and no one needs a fully auto for sport, hunting, home defence, etc.
Mixheal Moore is a man, not a political party. He is an unafilliated citizen who is expressing is views. Don't fault the Democrats because the Republican lead government has lead to this movie , world outcry, poor economy, record deficit, Vietem the sequel, and Hallaburton bilking $$$ trough conctracts. _________________ www.integrity-wake.com |
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Dave Barousse Faceplant

Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 5
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Posted: Jul 26, 2004 9:11 am Post subject: |
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seven11dmd wrote: | lol i think dave posted this to cause controversy |
That wasn't my intentions, but I figured it would considering how things have been going on the political front lately.
Back to talking about the movie....
It was a lot of information to soak up and digest in one sitting. A lot of it is still being boggled around in my mind and I am now going through the process of doing my own investigations on some of the information that was presented. A lot of the things that caught my attention could not be lied about by Moore because it was obviously factual information. But it was also obvious when he was trying to push you to believe something that may not have been presented completely or the context may have been changed through editing.
Before going into the theater, I knew that the film was going to be totally one sided and I was OK with that as I am an independent. I always like to hear both sides of a story.
That is all I have to say right now. There may or may not be more to come..... |
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kento911 Kickflip


Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix
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Posted: Jul 26, 2004 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Todd, as always an enlightend retort, how ever one of your facts doesn't jive with mine, the instant check system is far from untracked,(my family lives in AZ I've had personal dealings with it) and I don't belive there is ANYWHERE you can legally buy a fire arm "untracked",there are certain papers that need to be filed to purchase a gun, instant check just does thejob electronically
second I agree with your reasoning for the fully automatic ban, but I think that it will lead to an if then seris of events eventually leading to a full "beyond brady ban" so in effect I think it is the gate way to a slippery slope, yes
and my whole point, has been that Im not anti right or left like most Americans I fall in the middle somewhere but the fact remains,
and you even said it your self Todd wrote: |
Facts are Facts
Granted Moore does twist them to fit is own agenda,... |
Micheal moore has a private agenda and it is beyond democratic left it is radical left, and my point was that he should not be given kudos for adressing his private agenda, much the same way, I would expect an extreme rightist wouldn't be given kudos for addressing his own agenda,(afterall GWB hasn't been given Kudos for that yet)
and for the record I don't blame anyone but Moore for his movie, as you said he is a private citizen, so he's not feeling party pressure from the left to make that movie, but conversely he is also in no way obligated to defoul the right, for the same reasons so in the end Moore is SOLELY responsible for his movie and agree or not it IS too biased for most of the weakminded public they will either make "Moore Hates America Movies" or take it as gospel and ignore Moores obvious bias, and stomp around claiming they know the WHOLE truth.
Once again Thanks for the retort, an intelligent debateur IS hard to find _________________ why dont you try playing hide and go Fvck yourself |
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kento911 Kickflip


Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 3657 City: Phoenix
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Posted: Jul 26, 2004 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Dave Barousse, I am more than anxious to hear your opinion _________________ why dont you try playing hide and go Fvck yourself |
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The Pavement 3.6 Backside 180


Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 572 City: Eustis
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Posted: Jul 26, 2004 9:21 am Post subject: |
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everyones being a perfectionist shizz happens if you were president after 9/11 and you saw a country that might have been a threat wouldn't you have sent in troops to eleminate the threat of a terrorist attack done say there wasnt a threat cause there was Saddam had labs ready to make WMDs and he had some before we went in. |
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Dave Barousse Faceplant

Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 5
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Posted: Jul 26, 2004 9:35 am Post subject: |
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I knew this topic was going to get some wheels turning and get very political, but you guys are getting too general. I was interested in seeing what some of you had to say about actual parts in the movie. Like the part about Bush getting financial backing from the Bin Laden family via his friend Bath, the part about the Saudi embassy and the fact that Saudi's own 7% of the USA, the footage from Iraq the morning before we started bombing. It was crazy to see the footage that he had for this film. |
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