uber alles

LakeErie · Pop Shuvit Joined: 30 Sep 2003 Posts: 224 City: sandtown

whats uber alles mean?

Schmaltz · Backside 180 Joined: 16 Sep 2003 Posts: 721 City: San Jose

loose interpretation ... "Above All" or "Over All"

RUSSIAN · Posted: May 12, 2004 10:11 pm Post subject:

I like Above All

xboard32x · Posted: May 13, 2004 11:53 am Post subject:

what language is that?

Grouch · Kickflip Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 3146 City: The OC

I believe its Latin.

logan · Frontside 180 Joined: 26 Apr 2004 Posts: 437

it sounds hella cool

Grouch · Kickflip Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 3146 City: The OC

Its also from a Dead Kennedys song.

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10756 City: Jefferton

I thought uber alles was german.

Also, when you look at the lyrics to "california uber alles" there appears to be a number of allusions about germany/nazi germany. But I don't know much about the history of jerry brown, so maybe he was a nazi sympathizer or something...whatever. I like that song a lot though.

Grouch · Kickflip Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 3146 City: The OC

Electricsnow you were right.

Main Entry: über al·les
Pronunciation: "[UE]-ber-'ä-les
Usage: foreign term
Etymology: German
: above everything else

Grouch · Kickflip Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 3146 City: The OC

More interesting facts:

über alles” was adopted as the German national anthem after World War I.

Grouch · Kickflip Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 3146 City: The OC

WOW!

I think that is the first time I actually used the internet for something productive. Shocked

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10756 City: Jefferton

Boy, I should know better than to take things like that literally (allusions). But, it's always a theory to pursue and then debunk...

Here's something about the dead kennedy's song"...their first single - "California Uber Alas" - presented California's progressive, liberal governor Jerry Brown as a kind of hippie Hitler."

Does anyone care? And this kind of went off topic...so as a moderator, I might have to move my own post to the "I can't stay on topic" thread.

Grouch · Kickflip Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 3146 City: The OC

DK is where most people know the phrase from, so its not off the topic at all.

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10756 City: Jefferton

well, I was kind of focusing more on the interpretation of the song and not the actual phrase "uber alles." But if you say it's ok, then it stays!

jerrysk8 · Posted: May 13, 2004 7:15 pm Post subject:

if, and only if, uber alles is a reference to nazi's being above all, then i don't like it. just my 2c

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10756 City: Jefferton

Interesting point jerrysk8...and I'd have to agree with you if it were true. In general, I don't think uber alles is a nazi supremacy reference, but if hitler had anything to do with it becoming a part of the german national anthem, then you never know. But if it did have that subtext, you'd think germany would have scrapped it after world war II....but who knows. again, good point.

the bygone · Faceplant Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 26

Just because something is German dosent make it Nazi. Uber Allis is simpley a German phrase not a Nazi phrase. Nazis ate bratwerst that dosent mean that it is now Nazi sausage!

Rob · Posted: May 14, 2004 10:16 am Post subject:

Sick topic.... Smile

electricsnow · cassette Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 10756 City: Jefferton

Just for clarification, I was referring to the possiblity that uber alles in the german national anthem could have possibly had nazi undertones (provided that hitler had something to do with that), and not uber alles in general. After re-reading my post, I can see how it could be misleading.

Paul · Posted: May 14, 2004 3:56 pm Post subject:

I live in Switzerland but I'm german.
"Deutschland über alles" means "Germany above all". It's the german national anthem.
Erich: I know that "Integrity über alles" has nothing to do with Hitler and the Nazis but, here in Europe, the "über alles" expression is still a very touchy topic...

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