Infinite Universes Theory (mind blowing!!!)

Classy · Posted: Mar 13, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject:

JeffKnox, You might want to research Jesus's existence. He most certainly was a real man that walked this earth. He's is the most proven man to ever walk this earth...

kyle13 · Posted: Mar 13, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject:

JeffKnox, Merely going off of what my literature and religion professors have taught this year at usf (not that i agree with everything they say). Maybe it is an arguement that is more popular these days because I honestly don't hear much reference to it. Perhaps I am wrong about that but I was under the impression most agree a man named Jesus walked the earth..even if they don't believe most of what was recorded in the original cannon is correct. Bible study comment was unnecessary "bro", you don't even know me. Lets try not to attack each other (I didn't mean to come off as though I was attacking you, the whole video just seemed like an advertisment of the book and spent 15 minutes saying the same thing).

I don't have time to look for contradictions. I've spent a portion of my life looking for them and gave up when they were consistently explained to me. I am a sceptical person, I did not grow up believing everything people and church said since I was 5. It has been a long journey for me filled with searching for answers and trial and error.

I agree what Jesus wasn't mentioned much, and of coarse there was the time after his death known as the twilight years were nothing was even written down until AD 50. I am sure there are some rerferences to Jesus, I remeber cornelius tacitus, josephus, suetonius, lucian of samosata and if I look into it I will find some more, I know this is a handful. Perhaps if you told me who the scholars of his time were I could venture as to why the failed to mention "The Messiah".

Ironically I have been studying the acient Hebrew and Greek quite a good bit this month. I cannot argue that some versions of the Bible are offer verses that contain watered down or slightly distorted traslations. I am currently reading a few different versions, the new oxford annotated Bible being a close translation thats not that difficult to read. I think that a comprehesive study of the acient language is important to understand the Bible and I regret that I have not been more invloved with it in the past. I have read the entire Bible and I completely agree with the message it produces. I know there are some weird things scattered throughout and thats why I am not done learning, and never will be.

Also, watch out for those promotional videos that are trying to sell a book. Do you think anyone is going to buy the book if the don't think it's some newly discovered life changing faith altering material? For 15 minutes thats what the video said but it never proved anything. The monster movie footage cracked me up though.

edit:p.s. i can't remeber if it was you or not that said in the "who here is a christian" thread that they were agnostic? if it was you have you changed what you believed since then. Don't mean to pry I'm just very interested in what other people believe.

JeffKnox · Posted: Mar 14, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject:

kyle13, before i respond to your comment on the subject i just want to say i didnt mean to sound condescending ... i had a rough day when i posted that and it when i read your comment it put me over the edge... no hate intended just bad timing... immense apologies on my part... im at my parents house and will reread and respond to your subject matter when i get home...

Classy, thats your opinion, yes.... dont assume i have not done research... that is my hobby right behind wakeskating... and since i cant wakeskate in gainesville, all i do is philosophical and religious studies on my free time... try to keep opinions out and just use facts cause that statement has 0 facts and all faith....

Classy · Posted: Mar 14, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject:

JeffKnox, There is research behind the fact that Jesus existed

PIRATE · Kickflip Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 2651

kyle13, GO pick up Ron Martoia's "static" it deals alot with our flaws in translation.

JeffKnox · Posted: Mar 17, 2008 9:19 am Post subject:

kyle13, i understand that there was alot of book promoting in that video and thats why when i posted it i said just try to get thru it... i could care less about the book but merely the point she was trying to make... im not saying i dont believe he ever existed im just saying that it is a possibility, and that no one really knows... we dont know what happened back then and thats why its fun to speculate... jesus not existing is no more far fetched than him walking on water or raising the dead... i mean it would be simple for me to write about someone who never existed whom i made up and described interactions i had with this imaginary person... cults do it every day.. and then have some of my friends do the same thing... and although during the time period of my life no one will believe that this person existed because they would have never recalled seeing me and the person i described together but maybe in a few generations from now someone finds my writings... and then finds my friends writings... and thinks this person existed...

my point is without other outside sources to backup writings (writings which weren't even written during the time of jesus life) it is hard to say this person even existed let alone did all the amazing things history says he did... i mean 50 years after jesus death is a long time to be told by mouth and then 2000 years on paper has a lot of time to get altered...

my belief systems is merely learn as much as i can about everything i can and make wise decisions from that... i treat every human with respect that they deserve (or at least i try and if i feel i haven't done my best in that i try to make amends)... i am a humanist/agnostic

Classy, ok

JeffKnox · Posted: Mar 17, 2008 9:22 am Post subject:

just for the record...

provin1327 · Posted: Mar 17, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject:

dam still going on, man I still am forgetting to get that guys name, I got a snowday today, so I have astronomy tomorrow, ill try my hardest to remember lol

Gnarly Dancer 42 · 360 flip Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 5121 City: kalamazoo

dang this is all so confusing................JeffKnox has an argument that says jesus could have never existed............ and yet i still hear people in church saying "oh god has set me free from drugs" or "done this other crazy miracle"

how do those people know its not just a coincidence?

deltarider · Guest

Gnarly Dancer 42, that's a big part. Ever since Christ became the center of my life, things have changed...GREATLY.
I'm almost sure it's a fact that a man named Jesus existed and was crucified. It's just if you want to admit He is God's Son or not.

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dylo · Posted: Mar 18, 2008 6:40 am Post subject:

TylerDurden696, yah its called the placebo effect its pretty cool when you think about it..

Classy · Posted: Mar 18, 2008 9:12 am Post subject:

TylerDurden696, That is far from the truth

TylerDurden696 · Ollie Joined: 09 Jul 2007 Posts: 61 City: Alphen Ghetto

Classy · Posted: Mar 18, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject:

TylerDurden696, That the only proof Jesus walked the earth is in the Bible... I agree with alot of things you said

JeffKnox · Posted: Mar 18, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject:

Classy, just curious.. can you tell me any document that deals with jesus that was written during jesus life or at least close to it?

Classy · Posted: Mar 18, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject:

JeffKnox, No...I can think of some. Non of which you will accept...So...I'll just keep my mind closed and sit in awe of all ya'll smarter and more opened minded than myself...

dylo · Posted: Mar 19, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject:

Classy, yeah you do that. smarter FTW

cheapskate · Guest

Classy, Perfectly said

JeffKnox · Posted: Mar 19, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: