BMW is releasing a production model hydrogen car.

nick

The hydrogen fuel cell is finally being used in mass produced production cars.

Celebrate.

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Ctipping · Posted: Oct 08, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject:

:birthday

nick · Posted: Oct 08, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject:

Ctipping, Sufficient.

LKNKampus · Pop Shuvit Joined: 16 Feb 2006 Posts: 176

massive amounts of hydrogen light easier than petroleum....all you smokers

so our cars ignite easier yay

JeffKnox · Posted: Oct 08, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject:

che blanc, only problem is the way we get hydrogen for the hydrogen cells is from water using a method called hydrolysis... which uses large amounts of electricity to break bonds of water into hydrogen and oxygen... most of the time this electricity comes from power plants that still burns oil lol... so although this is a great step in the right direction... it dosnt free us from still burning oil

Poo · Guest

JeffKnox, they gotta rob you somehow if you're filling up your car with your garden hose.

jboss · Kickflip Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 3210 City: Chalmette

^^^
You can't stop Debbie Downer(s)!!! Wah wahhhhhhhhhh

Hyperlite_06Byerly · Posted: Oct 08, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject:

Ctipping, i hope u kno at least 8 of those Birthday

are getting frisky with each other.

Poo · Guest

jboss, not saying anything bad about it, its definitly heaps cheaper, especially if you live on a well. just sayin that's the fvcked up world we live in.

jboss · Kickflip Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 3210 City: Chalmette

VinceWhiteman, Not you, the two above you.

senorbueno · Backside 180 Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 1593

VinceWhiteman, I think you are missing the point. The car doesn't separate the hydrogen from water... but emits water through the exhaust instead of CO2... You can't fill this car up with your own water and expect it to work.

Hydrogen must be separated from the water in a very energy intensive process (as JeffKnox mentioned earlier)... and that is really the major development that is holding back hydrogen powered vehicles.

senorbueno · Backside 180 Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 1593

LKNKampus, that's a common misconception. Hydrogen will ignite when there is a presence of oxygen and something to spark the combustion (or enough heat to auto ignite, which is a higher temperature than what natural gasoline will autoignite at). If there is a leak of some type in a hydrogen tank, (say in a wreck of some sort) the hydrogen will be released and diffuse into the air, making it very difficult to explode b/c hydrogen is lighter than air and will diffuse very rapidly.

Natural gas on the other hand, if it leaks, it will drip into puddles which can explode from the presence of spark, and a natural gas explosion is more violent than a hydrogen explosion.

A pretty interesting experiment we did in my chem lab a couple of years ago involved the combustion of a hydrogen filled balloon. We took a balloon and filled it with hydrogen, and filled another balloon with half as many atoms of oxygen. Then held the two balloons next to each other and heated them up with a flame until they exploded, creating Heat energy and H20 (water).

Enough with the chemistry lesson, safety with hydrogen storage is very important to those involved in pushing hydrogen and fuel cell power and they have set up rigorous standards to be met before hydrogen fuel stations start popping up everywhere. Whenever you are dealing with highly combustible chemicals, it is important that the correct safety precautions are taken from day 1.

shmifty · Ollie Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 54 City: copper canyon

no no doubt this is a step in a good direction. but fuel cell cars still cost alot more than regular cars. Fewer people are going to be buying them. And until there are alot more fill up stations their wont be as many on the road. electric cars in my opinion are the future. technology now has batteries that are able to take a car well over 200 miles between charges and are fast and effecient. check out the ev1 and the story behind them. peace and love in the souls Smile

Mr. Rogers · Pop Shuvit Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 145 City: Windermere

Does anyone realize the costs involved in changing the petroleum infrastructure that is in place right now? Hydrogen is a dream and if it is realized it will be in 50 or more years from now. Also most of the everyday products that people consume daily are petroleum based so oil production will be here forever.

If any of you are worried about global warming dont blame the cars and power plants. Just look around at the natural world around you. For instance, a single average sized volcano emits more greenhouse gases in one day than the U.S. does in a month or more. Warming cycles are natural and people shouldnt freak out over it. If we are contributing to this warming it is in a very minute way.

jordan · Backside 180 Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 649 City: Spectre

Where do you fill it up? Cali and BC, anyone else jump on board yet? i don't watch tv...

scott a · "a" is for angel Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 4126

JeffKnox · Posted: Oct 09, 2007 10:58 am Post subject:

Mr. Rogers, haha you know people told ford the same thing... saying it was never going to work cause you would have to build filling stations at almost every mile... well look now... gas stations are on every block... its alot easier now that we have gas stations cause all you have to do is convert... haha definately not 50 years... i predict that if more companies start developing hydrogen cars for mass production gas stations will start selling both gas and hydrogen... just like they do today with regular gas a diesel... i say less than 10 years before you start seein hydrogen fill stations/gas stations...

t-rex · Backside 180 Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2007 City: Denver

i wish i was hydrogen powered..... groceries are so dang expensive... Smash

but then my electric bill would be thru the roof... Confused

eff this, i'm turnin amish Laughing

nick · Posted: Oct 09, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject:

Mr. Rogers, Global warming is a series of natural cycles working their magic as they have done since the earth began. Common sense. I'm against the Saudi's and the Venezuelan's and other shifty governments around the world having a vicegrip on the balls of America. Our dependency on foreign oil is why I am stoked on the hydrogen fuel cell.

I realize it has some ruffles that need to be worked out, but what significant advancement in the world hasn't required some smoothing out? Other than peanut butter, of course.

I can't wait til they are mainstream.

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Poo · Guest

che blanc, they started out with chunky peanut butter, then smoothed it out, then some people didnt like smooth so they decided to have both.